gamabomb wrote:"Also, since when are UK Thrash bands "in competition"? Have you ever met someone who said "Well I've bought Mutant's newest release, so I won't bother with the Amok album"?"

Im not saying that.I just think that the guys out of heretic act like other UK thrash bands gain is there loss. I honestly dont have a problem with heretic or its members I just dont understand why they bash other bands.

When have I ever said anything that could be interpreted as another bands gain being our loss? I've just re-read what I said in Terrorizer and all it basically says is that I don't agree with generic thrash and I thinksome bands who've achieved success are arse kissers. I knew who I was referring to. Heretic isn't in competition with any band, we're just playing music we like. If I think a band is rubbish, I'll say so - I don't need to ask permission.

Also, I don't really see why Heretic had an interview in the UK Thrash article in the first... They do little (if nothing) to support the other bands on this forum, and have nothing good to say about any of them, and they're not even really thrash...

Oh, right? Good job you don't write for Terrorizer then, isn't it?

I'm just curious Martin, but out of all the bands you dislike or have said bad things about on this forum, on how many occasions have you mentioned it to them face to face? Like I said, I'm just curious...

None, because I hardly ever attend any gigs that most of the bands on here play. Nobody comes through Derby that often, or I might consider it. If people want to talk to me to my face, I'll be in Wakefield.

MartinC wrote:

Also, I don't really see why Heretic had an interview in the UK Thrash article in the first... They do little (if nothing) to support the other bands on this forum, and have nothing good to say about any of them, and they're not even really thrash...

Oh, right? Good job you don't write for Terrorizer then, isn't it?

Is that actually supposed to mean something?

MartinC wrote:None, because I hardly ever attend any gigs that most of the bands on here play.

There you go, talk about reinforcing what I said...

MartinC wrote:None, because I hardly ever attend any gigs that most of the bands on here play.

Yeah, that's exactly what I figured. What I'm trying to get at is, would you be so openly offensive to the bands and the like if you were talking to them face to face? I'm not so sure. It's easy hiding behind a computer screen, or a magazine article, and mouthing off.

I still haven't had a chance to read the article, but I can only assume Martin has been mouthing off in it? That's what I've gathered from people's comments here. Like Thrash Metal Maniac, I'd be interested to hear why Ian choose him as an interviewee. Was it because of his 'different' take and views on the scene? If so, knowing exactly what his views are, how could printing them in the magazine even remotely benefit the scene and its bands?

Once again Martin's tactic of gaining attention for himself and Heretic has been successful.

IM GETTING BORED OF THIS NOW!!!!!

Is that actually supposed to mean something?

Yes, I simply mean that were you writing the article then judging by what you've said you probably wouldn't have included Heretic, so it's lucky that it wasn't you writing it.

Yeah, that's exactly what I figured. What I'm trying to get at is, would you be so openly offensive to the bands and the like if you were talking to them face to face? I'm not so sure. It's easy hiding behind a computer screen, or a magazine article, and mouthing off.

Yes.


I don't know why you're all getting so upset about what I said in the article. I was never going to answer every question with some response about how I love every single band in the scene and I'm really happy with it, because I'm not, I think a lot of the bands on here have got a long way to go before they can even hope of writing something credible and serious. You can call me what you like or disagree with the things I say, but none of you can accuse me of being false. Ian asked me some questions, I responded in the way I usually would. And just for the record, I didn't actually name any bands that I didn't like in our feature and it was not just a rant against the scene in general.

As I've said before, Martin makes good copy. However I offered him an interview on the strength of Heretic's new demo. If I remember correctly, he asked if I would consider featuring them and I said that if his new demo lived up to the hype he was giving it then I would. I thought it did, so I was good to my word.

When I received his answers back I wasn't too shocked at what he said, he was being true to the persona he portrays here, so I used them. The emphasis on that one particular quote was not mine, I had nothing to do with the layout of the piece.

Martin has always been outspoken about generic thrash and I agree with him, if it's a case of simply rehashing the past, UK Thrash will wither and die like it did before. We need bands with identity, vision and the ability to take it to the next level, and in his unsubtle way this is what Martin said.

Mind you all the bitching and bad feeling it has caused makes me wonder if it has been worth it.

No, the bad feeling is definitely worth it. If I've potentially ruined a spotty loser's day then I will be able to sleep soundly tonight.

Ill tell you lot one huge reason why critisism is important, especially in a magazine article that many people can see.....and thats- why should bands (any bands im talking about, of any genre) get away with releasing and achieving praise for mediocrity?!?! How can we expect music to grow and be better and bands to get better, if we praise them for rubbish? Or praise them because its 'alright', and theres nothing better. What complete nonsense. Like you guys, we are all entitled to our own opinion. So if we say we dont like something, you've no right to say theres no place for it.

You wont catch terrorizer or any other magazine saying somethings great if its not, just because a band will be better off from praise - they wont be better - theyll limit themselves to next to no fans, and next to no money. We were playing thrash like Evile and alike for years, i have about 10 songs on a par with them, completely 80's influenced and like sounding....we released 5 of them....and got completely panned by critics, one being zero tolerance magazine!! For not having our own sound, for being too 80's sounding.....

We didnt cry about it and go 'waaa why wont they help us out, it doesnt help us or the scene to be like that waaaa'. We said, ok then.....good job we are continuing to siv out the shit old sounding stuff and our writing is progressing into something more original and new and different. And we dropped the old songs.....because we couldn't get better playing that stuff. We needed the critque to get to where we are today. YOU'RE NOT GOOD UNTIL SOMEONE ELSE SAYS U ARE, AND THE MORE IMPORTANT AND 'IN THE KNOW' FIGURE THAT IS, THE BETTER!!

So my problem with it is......we did it. And were as catchy as Evile, and for the people that mattered (Magazines, critics, people who've been in the business for years and make the important decisions) it wasnt good enough. Heretic have been working our arses off, myself for 5 years now to get to a place of appreciation, and we are finally getting it. And like martin says, theres bands getting there by buttering people up instead. Its sickening and INSULTING TO US, who work hard to play the music we want to play.

Oh and by the way, we were featured in the Terrorizer article COZ WE'RE FUCKING GOOD!!!

terrorizer wrote:When I received his answers back I wasn't too shocked at what he said, he was being true to the persona he portrays here

You see, that's my problem there. If the main purpose of the article was to promote the UK Thrash scene and its up-and-coming bands, why on earth would you choose to interview someone who genuinely doesn't give a flying fuck about them? It's the equivalent of me writing an article about My Dying Bride or The Sword and interviewing Rich Walker!

Interviewing Martin on the strength of Heretic's new demo is a great idea, but not when its linked to an article about bands he doesn't seem to give a shit about. That's my two cents. For what it's worth, Ian, the article will definitely do more good for the scene than bad. So take the criticism on the chin, open a can of Turbo G, and congratulate yourself!

lyallthomas wrote:Oh and by the way, we we're featured in the Terrorizer article COZ WE'RE FUCKING GOOD!!!

And that is the same reason Gama Bomb, Evile, Deadfall, Pitiful Reign, Headless Cross and Sekhmet were featured.

Bane wrote:

terrorizer wrote:When I received his answers back I wasn't too shocked at what he said, he was being true to the persona he portrays here

You see, that's my problem there. If the main purpose of the article was to promote the UK Thrash scene and its up-and-coming bands, why on earth would you choose to interview someone who genuinely doesn't give a flying fuck about them? It's the equivalent of me writing an article about My Dying Bride or The Sword and interviewing Rich Walker!

Interviewing Martin on the strength of Heretic's new demo is a great idea, but not when its linked to an article about bands he doesn't seem to give a shit about. That's my two cents. For what it's worth, Ian, the article will definitely do more good for the scene than bad. So take the criticism on the chin, open a can of Turbo G, and congratulate yourself!

Now you're telling Ian what his own article is about? Fuck, you need to get over yourself. I seem to remember it being a 'UK Thrash Report', not a 'UK Thrash Arse Sex Session'. And what do you mean I don't give a fuck about the scene? The whole reason I'm being such an arse hole and slagging all these shit bands off is because I care about Thrash metal. I don't want to see it become boring and shit.

Exactly. So 'Bane' - you can shut up. Because we do give a fuck, CRITICISM IS GIVING A FUCK YOU IDIOT! We want Uk Thrash to be successful, and like Ian said, its not going to be in its current generic state of appreciating boring bands that are doing whats already been done TO DEATH!! A guy from one of if not the most influencial metal magazine is saying thats how it is! Listen to him!

and listen to us, we've been in the scene for 5 years!!!! longer than UK Thrash itself! Its called experience.

Gotta say, Heretic taking the approach of calling every bands cunts isn't gonna be a good approach for them in the long run. Why don't you guys just not say anything at all? Why should you worry about these generic 80's thrash metal bands? It's not hurting you guys, I mean if it's the way it is then you guys would be better off leaving us playing this generic stuff, right?

But do remember, the bands you tend to insult have a following and once they hear how foul mouthed you can be then that will be passed on to more and more people and I don't think they'd buy your cd. The music maybe great but they wouldn't buy it to support some band that badmouths another band because they didn't get any criticism. I can't help but think maybe you're jealous. Who knows. You was playing the stuff Evile played and yet you didn't get signed and they did. That must really get to you guys eventually.

lyallthomas wrote:A guy from one of if not the most influencial metal magazine is saying thats how it is! Listen to him!

Please do not put me on a pedestal just because I write for a magazine.