Xzar wrote:I hate smoking but they shouldn't be allowed to blanket ban it.

For a start, smoking is one of the most heavily taxed activities in the country. If less and less people smoke, the government lose billions, and they will only try and get that money back by increasing taxes on everyone else. I'd rather other people pay to kill themselves than me pay for them not to.

Secondly, the danger from passive smoking for most MOST people, is extremely overrated. 3 months of passive smoking = 30 minutes by a barbeque.

Thirdly, people should be polite and ask before they spark up in public places. However, pubs themselves are a different kettle of fish. If you're going in to drink alcohol, which is just about as dangerous in the long term, yet you complain about someone smoking near you, you're a fucking hypocrite and shouldn't go into pubs in the first place. Pubs are NOT healthy places. If you want a healthy drink go to a spa or something.

Yeah, we'll lose money in taxing fags, but we'll save money on the NHS treating old cunts who need new lungs because they've been smoking 20 a day for about 60 years. When I get AIDS from too much bumming, I don't want to be told the NHS can't afford to cure me because all the money has been spent on some dozy cunt who has heart disease or some shit from smoking too much.

And I don't agree with your last statement at all. That might apply to tossers who go out binge drinking, but if you're like me and genuinely enjoy going out and drinking good beer from a good pub (in moderation - I'm talkin no more than 3 or 4 pints a night), then the last thing you want is to come home with your clothes stinking of fags. Where else am I meant to go to drink nice beer on draught other than a pub? Leave the binge drinking for 14 year olds, I'm not interested in that bollocks in the same way I'm not interested in people smoking near me all the time.

A little googling comes up with over £10Billion a year is taxed from cigs and increases year on year, of which the NHS uses about 1.5Billion to treat smoking related problems which no doubt increases also.

you do also know that the government is perfectly aware of the ridiculous amounts of revenue they generate from smokers; its documented fact that they spend more money ENDORSING tobacca companies to get this cut, than they spend on advertising to stop people. is such a fucking joke.

are you also aware that, just like in moderation alcohol can be good for your system, there are infact health benefits from smoking? to me its just another media-driven totally biased ungrounded nanny crusade, just like every other piece of shit they print in the papers or tell you on mainstream news.

as i said i dont want to put other people in discomfort where theyre trying to enjoy a pint, so if i went into a pub and saw that nobody was smoking and there was something stating that, id be fully happy not to smoke. but i dont like the direction this is going in, and id be megapissed if they took it just one step further and tried to ban people from smoking in their own homes (not as far fetched as it might seem), forwarding this to the non-smoking population as a really good idea, probably basing it on the half of the things that have been said in this thread (that is, the half that suits them; cant give a balanced full picture and let the public make their own minds up, oh no sir! though i guess most the general public are so full of shit they crave to be told what they want..)

goddamnit, as long as im not breathing foul smoke around someone who doesnt like it, i should be able to smoke wherever the damn hell ass i want! this includes walking out in open air in the streets, which by the way will be banned in certain areas (just like the alcohol free zones you see more and more now). really, what is the fuckin point in that. i wont be able to have the classic spliff-on-the-walk

Pez wrote:are you also aware that, just like in moderation alcohol can be good for your system, there are infact health benefits from smoking?

Just out of curiosity where did you hear that and what are these supposed benefits?

Fucking Nazis.

I think we should ban black people and people who wear turbines.


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It was a joke numbnuts.

For the most part i agree with the ban. Non smokers dont have to put up with second hand smoke. Smokers are encouraged to give up. If they still want to smoke they can go outside.

I do think there should be seperate rooms that smokers can use. If it's not harming anyone else then the smokers should be free to do it. I also agree that private clubs shouldnt have the ban imposed on them.

i pretty much agree with what boovidge said. And it certainly would be nice to come home after the odd pint at the pub without smelling like a fucking ashtray!

boovidge wrote:For the most part i agree with the ban. Non smokers dont have to put up with second hand smoke. Smokers are encouraged to give up. If they still want to smoke they can go outside.

I do think there should be seperate rooms that smokers can use. If it's not harming anyone else then the smokers should be free to do it. I also agree that private clubs shouldnt have the ban imposed on them.

Tru' dat.
Imagine having to walk out of a packed club/gig then cue up again whenever you wanted a fag? And what of no re-entry venues? It's a bit harsh to mess people around like that when they're addicted to the things.
There's many places where people would almost definatly smoke, such as a party or small group of friends in a private club or something, if the venue got permission from all the people there for example.. I dunno, but it could be worked around.

-Lee

I don't understand how people get addicted to cigarettes. I'm sure about to smoke at decent number of them until you get addicted so surely it's self inflicted? Boo-fucking-hoo if you have to go outside of clubs and que to get back in - not my problem.

Well, I've given up smoking now and addiction is fairly hard to break out of, it's hard to explain if you haven't had it but it's very difficult. But of course, it's their own fault, but people get addicted to lots of things for various reasons. But that's not really looking into the needs of the non smokers, it could possibly lose a lot of business for venue owners etc though...

Atom wrote:My little bro has cancer and when he goes into a smokey room it sets off some serious pain.

Two of my friends have died from drug related issues (one from a certain type of smoking) and it amazes me that some of my 'mates' still smoke around him sometimes. Smoking is disgusting, not IMO or IMHO but seriously its disgusting. My aunt has cancer from smoking and some people still go out and buy fags cos "its something to do with my hands" or "Ill get fat if I stop"... Try saying that when youre 6 months into kemotherepy and you are still going to die.

Anyway, having smoking banned is amazing news, if people want to let that shit into their bodies and make me feel sick when they are doing it, then they should go outside and not bother the people who arnt INHALING CHEMICAL SMOKE OF PAIN.

Sorry about the rant yall, smoking just really upsets me, most people dont even want to do it, they are giving money to a company because they are addicted to it.

aww man sorry the other night at Sabbat when i was smoking, didnt know you were bothered by it