warhammer...ukthrash all time low?

Don't get me started on Warhammer.

boovidge wrote:warhammer...ukthrash all time low?

Why must you torment me with your shit opinions?! WHHHHY?!

As old Billy Bob Braintree says, White Dwarf is little more than a catalogue these days - it throws a load of new miniatures (and prices) at you in the first dozen or so pages, then fills up lots of space with battle reports which aren't that interesting unless you're into the particular game/armies, and then the rest is scattered amongst all the different games so much that you don't get anything substantial on the topics you might like.

I found this with the last copy I bought, which was the release of the new Chaos Marines codex - I thought there would be some cool articles and background literature, but all I got is THESE ARE THE NEW MODELS! THIS IS HOW MUCH THEY COST!!! Hardly any lengthy text in the whole rag (and I compared this to earlier issues I have stored away, which definitely have much more weighty articles). It was also around 50p more expensive than those earlier issues, just to rub salt in the wound.

Anyway, enough of this.

For Terrorizer, these magazines (and covermount CD's) are ran and funded by whichever unsigned band or record company has the most money to keep them afloat. If someone comes along and says "here's some advertising cash, give this band a big advert, space on the CD, an interview and feature" then fuck it, overheads and rent has to be covered.

For those that think I'm talking shite, get a fear candy CD on, listen to a track then read the small write up on the CD contents page in the mag. Shit band, good write up? Thought so. How did that happen? Mail them and ask how you get on the CD then you'll know.

Plus, why would anyone think a magazine is neutral for reviews and coverage anyway? People normally do review articles for the mags for free so promoting their own material (or even getting the promo CD for nothing) is their way of getting paid.

I'll shut up now, too much cider, it's just hard for me to agree with the majority here say a sub-genre magazine with an approximate unit sales of 50,000 is self serving. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying there is a lot of negativity for a magazine thats always been there for me & has outlived every peak and trough of the extreme metal fashion scene because it had to go with the flow at that time to stay afloat.

SPICE MUST FLOW.

H.O.D. Feemo wrote:
SPICE MUST FLOW.

I love you Feemo, i literally love you.

Now to play the baliset!

H.O.D. Feemo wrote:I'll shut up now, too much cider, it's just hard for me to agree with the majority here say a sub-genre magazine with an approximate unit sales of 50,000 is self serving. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying there is a lot of negativity for a magazine thats always been there for me & has outlived every peak and trough of the extreme metal fashion scene because it had to go with the flow at that time to stay afloat.

SPICE MUST FLOW.

Inside the cover it says that the average monthly circulation is about 15,000.

As a long term Terrorizer reader, I think that the magazine has weathered plenty of storms, but kept a solid core until recently, when it has gone downhill to the point where I don't buy it any more. Even at the peak of nu-metal, although they featured plenty of the 'more extreme' bands that were popular, the spirit of the magazine remained the same; you got the impression that it was written by metal fans. That's simply and sadly no longer the case. There's a real condescension by some of the writers towards anything that isn't 'groundbreaking' or 'arty'.

Dian Wei wrote:

H.O.D. Feemo wrote:
SPICE MUST FLOW.

I love you Feemo, i literally love you.

now copy the Pulverizer demo!

Agreed.

Bestial Bill wrote:

H.O.D. Feemo wrote:I'll shut up now, too much cider, it's just hard for me to agree with the majority here say a sub-genre magazine with an approximate unit sales of 50,000 is self serving. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying there is a lot of negativity for a magazine thats always been there for me & has outlived every peak and trough of the extreme metal fashion scene because it had to go with the flow at that time to stay afloat.

SPICE MUST FLOW.

Inside the cover it says that the average monthly circulation is about 15,000.

As a long term Terrorizer reader, I think that the magazine has weathered plenty of storms, but kept a solid core until recently, when it has gone downhill to the point where I don't buy it any more. Even at the peak of nu-metal, although they featured plenty of the 'more extreme' bands that were popular, the spirit of the magazine remained the same; you got the impression that it was written by metal fans. That's simply and sadly no longer the case. There's a real condescension by some of the writers towards anything that isn't 'groundbreaking' or 'arty'.

Terrorizer was in the beggining a godsend. The very first issues were great, like a new metal forces in the format, almost zine like. After a few years, the guy who used to edit it left (i think it was the same guy who ran black tears distribution, cant remember his name) then they started getting very infuenced by the major underground indie labels (relapse / nuclear blast / century media etc) and more and more space was given over to adverts. Like is the case with kerrrapp, metal hammer etc, advertising revenue is what keeps the cash flowing, not so much the cover price, so it stands to reason that the main advertisers arent going to be happy if the writers continually slate the labels releases. This is how it is for all mags, and i cant see it changing. This is why i prefer to buy underground fanzines. they tend to be far more independant for the main part, and what they lack in glossy colour aestetics, they usually make up for in honest integrity, as they arent written to make money but as a hobby for the contributors. Agreed, some are shit, but overall, fanzines are the best read.
As for covermount CDs, they are just another way of getting revenue for the magazine, because as feemo rightly pointed out, the bands arent chosen on merit, but rather on ability to buy a slot.
When ian and me were involoved in zine writing, we promised every band who sent us something that we would review it honestly, and we did. Sometimes very negatively, but we never had to answer to advertising revenue, so if the band were upset by our opinion, then too bad. and boy did we give some bad reviews where needed
I cant ever seeing terrorizer being as good as it was before again, but if the kids still buy it now, then they will carry on as they are. Me, i'll go and read my full collection of back issues again

Dian Wei wrote:It is basically a catalogue these days.

I used to enjoy it where they actually worked on the worlds they were creating, rather than just pushing their new line of lead.

"We deal in Lead"
Who said that? It's bugging me now,I bet I'll look a right n00b when I find out......

The Gunslingers, from the dark tower.

Roland is prime.

Dian Wei wrote:The Gunslingers, from the dark tower.

Roland is prime.

I've got all seven volumes on the shelf behind me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111

Immortalicide wrote:

Bestial Bill wrote:

H.O.D. Feemo wrote:I'll shut up now, too much cider, it's just hard for me to agree with the majority here say a sub-genre magazine with an approximate unit sales of 50,000 is self serving. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying there is a lot of negativity for a magazine thats always been there for me & has outlived every peak and trough of the extreme metal fashion scene because it had to go with the flow at that time to stay afloat.

SPICE MUST FLOW.

Inside the cover it says that the average monthly circulation is about 15,000.

As a long term Terrorizer reader, I think that the magazine has weathered plenty of storms, but kept a solid core until recently, when it has gone downhill to the point where I don't buy it any more. Even at the peak of nu-metal, although they featured plenty of the 'more extreme' bands that were popular, the spirit of the magazine remained the same; you got the impression that it was written by metal fans. That's simply and sadly no longer the case. There's a real condescension by some of the writers towards anything that isn't 'groundbreaking' or 'arty'.

Terrorizer was in the beggining a godsend. The very first issues were great, like a new metal forces in the format, almost zine like. After a few years, the guy who used to edit it left (i think it was the same guy who ran black tears distribution, cant remember his name) then they started getting very infuenced by the major underground indie labels (relapse / nuclear blast / century media etc) and more and more space was given over to adverts. Like is the case with kerrrapp, metal hammer etc, advertising revenue is what keeps the cash flowing, not so much the cover price, so it stands to reason that the main advertisers arent going to be happy if the writers continually slate the labels releases. This is how it is for all mags, and i cant see it changing. This is why i prefer to buy underground fanzines. they tend to be far more independant for the main part, and what they lack in glossy colour aestetics, they usually make up for in honest integrity, as they arent written to make money but as a hobby for the contributors. Agreed, some are shit, but overall, fanzines are the best read.
As for covermount CDs, they are just another way of getting revenue for the magazine, because as feemo rightly pointed out, the bands arent chosen on merit, but rather on ability to buy a slot.
When ian and me were involoved in zine writing, we promised every band who sent us something that we would review it honestly, and we did. Sometimes very negatively, but we never had to answer to advertising revenue, so if the band were upset by our opinion, then too bad. and boy did we give some bad reviews where needed
I cant ever seeing terrorizer being as good as it was before again, but if the kids still buy it now, then they will carry on as they are. Me, i'll go and read my full collection of back issues again

That's bang on what why was trying to say only sounding less pissed, kudos!

Lev, I replied in another thread, can't remember which one though.

Cheers for the good review Ian. Doctor Death shouldn't have beat us though, I think your higher scoring review is positive prejudice because Jamie is 3ft tall.

Good stuff! Though Mike now sings in Doctor Death instead of Steve apparently?

I also like how Gama Bomb's album only got 7.5/10. That officially means that Heretic's two-song EP is better than Gama Bomb's entire album. Amazing.