New AMENTI Songs!
http://www.myspace.com/amentiuk

Views?

Constructive criticism please, these are only a few tracks from the up and coming album so we can get everyones opinions on them to see if we need to change anything.
Already had comments about the snare sound and i totally agree, needs compressing.

So views guys?

Decent vocals, makes a change from all the Metallica-clones I've been hearing in a lot of Thrash bands, they need refining a bit but they sound cool. I'm not too into how 'Massacre of Humanity' starts, bit boring with it just being some power chord progression - maybe put something in to make it a bit more interesting on the ears?

cheers for the comments dude, its very much appreciated.
I've stuck it down on the list so we can all discuss it and see what we can change when we go back in for the final time.

Thanks again.

Anyone else?

Does anyone else find the idea of doing this extremely weird? I wouldn't ask other people (especially people I didn't know) for their opinions on my music - then it just seems like trying to appeal to your audience rather than writing the music you want to write.

Well obviously you wouldn't because you're not a sell out lol

Bestial Bill wrote:Does anyone else find the idea of doing this extremely weird? I wouldn't ask other people (especially people I didn't know) for their opinions on my music - then it just seems like trying to appeal to your audience rather than writing the music you want to write.

I feel it's farely obvious he's actually asking views on production, it's always good to have an extra pair of ears or 50 handy to point out a level problem or the snare that's already been pointed out, professional musicians do it all the time, and rightly so, to get the best they can out of their release.

What that actually has to do with selling out I'm really not sure, well I am, as it doesn't... It's irrelevant, but yea, some people just havn't got the hang of taking their music to a professional level, I'd hate to have a load of albums produced at great personal expense only to find there's something in there that I'd change!

On a side note, Opium is a fantastic song

dreamlands wrote:On a side note, Opium is a fantastic song

yeah, Opium is an awesome song!

dreamlands wrote:

Bestial Bill wrote:Does anyone else find the idea of doing this extremely weird? I wouldn't ask other people (especially people I didn't know) for their opinions on my music - then it just seems like trying to appeal to your audience rather than writing the music you want to write.

I feel it's farely obvious he's actually asking views on production, it's always good to have an extra pair of ears or 50 handy to point out a level problem or the snare that's already been pointed out, professional musicians do it all the time, and rightly so, to get the best they can out of their release.

What that actually has to do with selling out I'm really not sure, well I am, as it doesn't... It's irrelevant, but yea, some people just havn't got the hang of taking their music to a professional level, I'd hate to have a load of albums produced at great personal expense only to find there's something in there that I'd change!

I don't think I actually mentioned anything about selling out. I totally disagree with you though; I think that the constant seeking of opinions on messageboards about rough mixes/demos/etc is something that contributes greatly to the homogeneity of a lot of recent metal. A lot of the great records of the past have certain 'character', sometimes even caused by the mix being totally 'wrong', or strange, and that kind of thing is lost in this age. (I haven't actually listened to the Amenti tracks yet, so this has no bearing on them).

Bestial Bill wrote:

dreamlands wrote:

Bestial Bill wrote:Does anyone else find the idea of doing this extremely weird? I wouldn't ask other people (especially people I didn't know) for their opinions on my music - then it just seems like trying to appeal to your audience rather than writing the music you want to write.

I feel it's farely obvious he's actually asking views on production, it's always good to have an extra pair of ears or 50 handy to point out a level problem or the snare that's already been pointed out, professional musicians do it all the time, and rightly so, to get the best they can out of their release.

What that actually has to do with selling out I'm really not sure, well I am, as it doesn't... It's irrelevant, but yea, some people just havn't got the hang of taking their music to a professional level, I'd hate to have a load of albums produced at great personal expense only to find there's something in there that I'd change!

I don't think I actually mentioned anything about selling out. I totally disagree with you though; I think that the constant seeking of opinions on messageboards about rough mixes/demos/etc is something that contributes greatly to the homogeneity of a lot of recent metal. A lot of the great records of the past have certain 'character', sometimes even caused by the mix being totally 'wrong', or strange, and that kind of thing is lost in this age. (I haven't actually listened to the Amenti tracks yet, so this has no bearing on them).

My apologies for wrongfully quoting, the first part was to you the second was to the post regarding 'selling out'... An easy term to hide behind on a message board.

Opinions are opinions, but I am a strong believer that musicians should harness the power of technology they have at hand these days, I don't think 'tallica would have settled for Puppets' production quality if they could have had something to today's standards. Sure, some records in the past have been characterised by their production mishaps, but I don't think a band should be scrutinised for taking advantage of what they have in their grasp. Different bands to different values, so in answer to your initial question as to whether or not I think this method is weird, no I don't, and I hope now you can see why it isn't weird, just different to methods of old when this wasn't available..

However, beware of succumbing to the 'only modern production is real' school of thought. New and old metallers alike are starting to become desensitised to music now and can't even listen to something if isn't produced by Andy Sneap or Fredrik Nordstrom - i.e. triggered, quantised, cut 'n' pasted and pro-tooled to fuck. Powerful, polished production is fine but I think too many bands these days have the very vitality sucked out of them by technology. Maintaining a balance between raw, organic aggression and sonic precision/power is the key.

Fiend wrote:However, beware of succumbing to the 'only modern production is real' school of thought. New and old metallers alike are starting to become desensitised to music now and can't even listen to something if isn't produced by Andy Sneap or Fredrik Nordstrom - i.e. triggered, quantised, cut 'n' pasted and pro-tooled to fuck. Powerful, polished production is fine but I think too many bands these days have the very vitality sucked out of them by technology. Maintaining a balance between raw, organic aggression and sonic precision/power is the key.

I agree wholehertadly!

Fiend wrote:However, beware of succumbing to the 'only modern production is real' school of thought. New and old metallers alike are starting to become desensitised to music now and can't even listen to something if isn't produced by Andy Sneap or Fredrik Nordstrom - i.e. triggered, quantised, cut 'n' pasted and pro-tooled to fuck. Powerful, polished production is fine but I think too many bands these days have the very vitality sucked out of them by technology. Maintaining a balance between raw, organic aggression and sonic precision/power is the key.

Agree, though I think it does depend on the genre. A nice dirty, raw production works wonders for thrash, but would sound terrible for a folk or viking metal band, say. I'd hate to have to listen to a badly produced copy of Ensiferum's "Iron" or Moonsorrow's "Suden Uni". I guess a major factor would be the keyboards...bad production does not suit well with keyboard based bands.

Oh its and good that people like raw production...wait until you hear the upcoming ultra-low budget demo from Imprisoned! I'll take a pic of our "studio" (and I use that term very lightly) and upload it sometime.

Though I don't think we could top Hellwitch's first demo...seat cushions and textbooks for drums!

I'm not a fan or mixing thrash and death metal togather only some bands can pull it of well, you guys aren't the best of the mixed genres but you are pretty good! if you were abit faster you'd be well

cheers for the comments and the like.

hmm i wouldnt of really called us death metal but theres some songs ALOT faster than these on the album so it may be worth checking out if you would be interested goremonger.
Thanks for the comment though dude, much appreciated!

well the 3 genres at the top said Thrash/Metel/Death metal you might want to change it then