christ that steak looks good..

STD_Caps wrote:Right with that provocation, Obviously, humans have a fair degree of superiority over other animals. One of these strengths lies in their ability to think philosophically and ethically. Ethics are part of our evolution.

Of course you are right,and it's commendable that you have chosen to broach the subject of ethics on what is basically a heavy metal forum,not usually the home of philosophical debate.
So I've taken a long hard look at myself,reread Confucios "The doctrine of the mean" and it says something like "When one cultivates to the upmost the principles of his nature,he is allowed to eat yummy kebabs"
So essentially it's ethically wrong for animals to eat fast food,but real men eat burgers and KFC.
MmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmKFC

boovidge wrote:christ that steak looks good..

Hahaha, so true. Plus I totally wanted to know what a skinned cow skull looked like, and now I know! SCIENCE!

Meat products are like a gift from God. Has anyone else eaten Kangaroo? It's sublime. My ultimate ambition in life is to eat great white shark meat.

^ Yeah, I've had kangaroo, it didn't bowl me over to be honest.

I find it quite outrageous that you want to eat great white shark though. Not only are they very endangered, but they're just the perfection of an evolved killer, and I respect them a lot. To use livestock for food seems fine to me, but to kill and eat an awesome predator just doesn't seem right to me. That may be contradictory and all, I just feel cool predators should not be eaten Or just hunted - I don't really have any respect for the old fashion of shooting tigers or whatever.

we need to make up for all the times sharks have eaten humans


Have we had a fox hunting debate on here yet?

boovidge wrote:we need to make up for all the times sharks have eaten humans

Exactly. I think that being able to eat the world's greatest predator would be a testament to the power of human will. I sorta get off on the idea of having such a powerful and horrifying creature killed, gutted and stripped down into a damn burger. Just to let it know where it really stands on the food chain, you know? It's not like I'm gonna go hunt one of the fuckers down with a harpoon gun and a can of Whup Ass...

Anyone watch kill it cook it eat it on BBC 3. It was lamb today. For those that don't know, the studio is set in an abattoir and the animals are slaughtered live in front of the audience, butchered, cooked and then eaten. Sounds pretty brutal, but I think it's a fantastic idea for a program. People should realise where their meat comes from. In this society, very few people have a link in their minds between the burger they're munching on and cows in a field.

It surprises me how few people are willing to watch this, but will go on eating meat! A few of my house simply refused to watch. Fair enough, they don't want to see lambs having their heads cut off, but then how can they justify eating the meat?

I'm sure there'll be loads of complaints about the program as well, which is beyond belief really. This is a process that happens to bring us the meat we eat, and we shouldn't be ignorant of it. If you feel uncomfortable with it, should you really be eating it?

It's pork tonight if anyone's interested. On at 10:30.

Metalbrew Stu wrote:A few of my house simply refused to watch. Fair enough, they don't want to see lambs having their heads cut off, but then how can they justify eating the meat?

i don't think anyone's denying that cutting up a lamb is a disgusting process but that doesn't mean it's wrong to eat meat.

boovidge wrote:

Metalbrew Stu wrote:A few of my house simply refused to watch. Fair enough, they don't want to see lambs having their heads cut off, but then how can they justify eating the meat?

i don't think anyone's denying that cutting up a lamb is a disgusting process but that doesn't mean it's wrong to eat meat.

I eat meat by the way... I just think if you're gonna eat meat, you should face up to the whole process that brings it to your table. If you can't face seeing a lamb killed, or couldn't do it yourself, should you be eating the meat at all?

Metalbrew Stu wrote:I eat meat by the way... I just think if you're gonna eat meat, you should face up to the whole process that brings it to your table. If you can't face seeing a lamb killed, or couldn't do it yourself, should you be eating the meat at all?

You have a fair point. I wouldn't eat a dog because I'd never kill one and would feel very upset at seeing a dog be killed. However, to be honest I can't say I'd kill a cow or lamb until I've actually tried to do it, because I can't imagine any man can honestly know something like that about themselves without having experienced it. But it is definitely fair to say if you wouldn't/couldn't kill it, perhaps you shouldn't be eating it. Which means I'm going to have to go out now and cap some cows' asses.

I try to stay away from the veggie debate though really, because I'm not really sure what i think. I secretly agree that it's a bit wrong to kill animals for survival at our level of intelligence, and that we should have more respect for the world. Humans should having more fucking respect for life full stop. But I really, really, really love burgers and steak and kebabs and I don't ever want to stop eating them. I know I could survive without them, I know plenty of people who do, but they're great.

But thinking about it also, it's not like we're just going out and killing and eating all the animals willy nilly. Animals are bred for the specific purpose of being eaten (well, most are I imagine, I haven't done any real research to back up my claims so I'm making all this up really). Again, there is also something kind of wrong with that, but it's better than killing all sorts.

I don't know really. I obviously don't think it's that wrong otherwise I wouldn't do it. I just want a kebab. I'd be definitely interested in watching that programme though.

Meat is amazing. What else would be BBQ lol!!!

keith_amok wrote:Meat is amazing. What else would be BBQ lol!!!

Try putting bananas on a bbq still in their skins, then when they are done, cut them open and serve with ice-cream or whipped cream. Lovely meat free bbq food!! ( go down really nice after a couple of pounds of sausage n ribs!!!!)

Wasn't this meant to be about butter....

jonny_boy34 wrote:

Metalbrew Stu wrote:I eat meat by the way... I just think if you're gonna eat meat, you should face up to the whole process that brings it to your table. If you can't face seeing a lamb killed, or couldn't do it yourself, should you be eating the meat at all?

You have a fair point. I wouldn't eat a dog because I'd never kill one and would feel very upset at seeing a dog be killed. However, to be honest I can't say I'd kill a cow or lamb until I've actually tried to do it, because I can't imagine any man can honestly know something like that about themselves without having experienced it.




But thinking about it also, it's not like we're just going out and killing and eating all the animals willy nilly. Animals are bred for the specific purpose of being eaten

As i've mentioned, i have worked in the meat trade since i left school, and yes i've done some slaughtering. It isn't a pleasant job, and definately not for everyone. But the unpleasantness is mainly due to the working conditions, not the cruelty aspect of it all, as it is very humaine nowadays with captive bolt stunning and electrolethayling, both of which render an animal unconcious instantainiously when done correctly. It isnt so long ago that the whole process was more primitive with pole-axing etc. Personnally i find it more disturbing when people enjoy watching random acts of violence with open glee in action films and real life war situations.

Correct they are, and this is the part of the meat industry i find uncomfortable. Not the breeding, but the intensive way in which it is done which puts profit above hygiene and safety for us the consumers, and DOES in some respects neglect good husbandry of the animals involved.