Amen brother. Did you see sicko? Micheal Moore was practicly on his kness sucking our dicks when it comes to health service. That's coming from the worlds current leading superpower too.

Dian Wei wrote:Ok, i submit. We should all just hang ourselves in shame

I was born in Bridgend and am therefore all up for this idea.

However I doubt anyone else here has the credentials join me.

No thanks, wrong type of forum!

Cernunnos wrote:That stuff about the British Empire's reminded me of Think Back And Lie Of England by Skyclad which illustrates booves point

good call, skyclad rule

even now colonial powers are holding their former colonies back

Martin: you're right britain is pretty pr0n overall

also boove i dont think a secular britain would be much different to what we have now in terms of freedom of religion

H.O.D. Feemo wrote:Amen brother. Did you see sicko? Micheal Moore was practicly on his kness sucking our dicks when it comes to health service. That's coming from the worlds current leading superpower too.

That's because he wanted to paint an overly good image of the NHS to promote his own views. I didn't even hear a mention of waiting times or superbugs. The guy is a wanker.

That being said i would still never want to give up the NHS.

MartinC wrote:People should be proud of this country, it's fucking mint. If you don't like it, piss off to some shite hole. There's so many things that are right with this country. Off the top of my head - the NHS.

I love living here and of course there are loads of things to be proud of such as the NHS. Hatred of the Empire and hatred of Britain are not one and the same.

Overall i don't have strong feelings either way about the monarchy, it brings alot tourism to the country...though again they serve no "real" purpose.
But with the British Empire again there were attrocities as with every large rule, but we through those we managed to salvage some benefits, like for example world war I advance medical science greatly but also our methods of killing. Plus geneocide wasn't just performed by the Nazis i belive the communist in Russia and China were and are just as good as killing people and the current problems in many African tribes.
What a lovely species we are....able to create such wonders and ultimate horror

who would want to give up the NHS?

Exactly, we are all cunts.

The Fourth Norseman wrote:also boove i dont think a secular britain would be much different to what we have now in terms of freedom of religion

true dat

i only really hate the monarchy because i cant be King because i was baptised a catholic

UK Thrash: Political

While I'm sat here thinking of royals doing national service and shooting the shit with you guys I wondered what prince charles had all his medals for....

haha! What a phoney! Harry's just PWND him.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6147544.stm

At least this has answered my current want of actually having a serious topic on here. Some times too much of the internet's influence is a bad thing.

I'm with the Boove and Lions!

Historically, our monarchy is not much to be proud of. And these days, whilst they are largely ceremonial, their are problems both with them ideologically and practically.

Ideology: It contradicts democracy and meritocracy. They are in a position of privilege through birth. This is not just in terms of economic status as is normal in our society. They are essentially positioned as 'our superiors'. This may not be, and I think isn't, the reality but it is essentially what the monarchy as an institution represent. That is is something that is, in my opinion, questionable and worthy of resistance.

Practically: Boovidge has passingly referred to (I think) the prerogative powers of the monarchy. Whilst these powers are historical and are not really used there are clear problems with an unelected leader selecting the government, rejecting laws or declaring war. As a minimum, these powers need to be formally removed. And they have been used. The Queen closed a court case against Paul Burrell a little while back (2002 or 2003) regarding him taking certain items. Due to his knowledge of unpleasant royal-related truths, British judicial courts could not do what they were meant to do. This is also questionable.

And let's be honest, an argument is pretty thin when it runs on a foundation of sentimentalism instead of logic. I can see why some don't give a shit, but to say 'It's the Queen! She's great!' or some such claptrap about some idolised tradition I just feel like shaking my head in disbelief.

Fair point. My main issue is with having lost all faith with our current government and looking for what i consider to be decent alternatives... thus far there are not any.