I think they should just tell all venues to sell ear plugs at the bar for a quid (just the spongey ones). Job done. If you don't wear them fine. They are your ears, it should be your choice what you do with them.

The Health and Safety Executive tried to force musicians in orchestras to wear ear defenders while playing as technically the volumes get to loud. It's just ludicrous! Do they not think these musicians care about their ears? They've only worked their arse off for 20 years to get into one of the world top orchestras... do you think they want to go deaf! Instead of just reminding them that its loud and they should limit their exposure they go straight in and apply the same rules from a fucking building site to an orchestra!

I think most of the ones put in around our way are due to the neighbors (including shops or rival pubs) complaining as opposed to the musicians.

If you apply for an entertainments extension to your alcohol lisence it goes in the local paper, if one wirtten objection gets sumitted to the council in a month it's a no go. It's really fucking hard.

After that you have to submit door policy, prs rights, fire regulations, capacity inspections....

Then as tradition permits, no fuckers turn up!

metaldazza wrote:If you don't wear them fine. They are your ears, it should be your choice what you do with them.

Sorry, but I disagree. Live (rock) music is far too loud, and I don't want to have to foot bills on the NHS for people who purposefully damage their hearing.

The REAL problem is with the audience, who talk, shout, etc. throughout gigs. If you go to a classical music concert the experience is so much better, the sound quality is invariably better and not over-distorted and the crowd is more respectful because THEY'RE ACTUALLY THERE TO SEE THE MUSIC unlike loads of rock/metal fans who are there because it's an 'event' for their 'subculture.'

Yeah, actually I kind of agree with Bill there, due to my numerous Opeth experiences. People ALWAYS talk through the quiet bits (which are some of the most amazing parts of Opeth's songs sometimes, and there are a lot of them), and it's the most annoying, ridiculous, and disrespectful thing you can do to both the band and the members of the audience who are actually there to enjoy the music. That really pisses me off.

Although, I definitely do think all venues should sell cheapo ear plugs, that would be good.

Opeth is the worst, but far from only, example that I have experienced. Last time I saw them it was absolute misery.

Bestial Bill wrote:

metaldazza wrote:If you don't wear them fine. They are your ears, it should be your choice what you do with them.

Sorry, but I disagree. Live (rock) music is far too loud, and I don't want to have to foot bills on the NHS for people who purposefully damage their hearing.

The REAL problem is with the audience, who talk, shout, etc. throughout gigs. If you go to a classical music concert the experience is so much better, the sound quality is invariably better and not over-distorted and the crowd is more respectful because THEY'RE ACTUALLY THERE TO SEE THE MUSIC unlike loads of rock/metal fans who are there because it's an 'event' for their 'subculture.'

Good point, people do ruin many live events.

Bestial Bill wrote:Opeth is the worst, but far from only, example that I have experienced. Last time I saw them it was absolute misery.

take it back!

He was talking about audience noise Zurab.

What's this Zurab, you like Opeth now?

James wrote:He was talking about audience noise Zurab.

I'm glad there's someone here to make my posts clear to people with an IQ under 80.

What about for me with a consdierididly less EYE Q?

jonny_boy34 wrote:What's this Zurab, you like Opeth now?

im in love with opeth, its weird this forum is reason i stared listening to loads of 70's prog

^^^ Opeth? 70's prog?

Bestial Bill wrote:

James wrote:He was talking about audience noise Zurab.

I'm glad there's someone here to make my posts clear to people with an IQ under 80.

Of course, because there'd be no point in posting without a translation between super-genius and all the idiots on here..

Deceptor: the UK's most educated thrash band.

its gota be true aswell!

I wonder who the least educated are?!