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Re: The Official Football Thread

Postby Shugmaster on Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:04 am

Metal Iain wrote:No it doesn't, you silly billy!

It means that it gives managers the opportunity to deal with problems as and when they arise. That isn't tactical; that's merely convenient. Not that you can account for injuries like that of Ribery, but part of being a manager is choosing your subs in advance and in accordance with the problems that may arise playing against Italy, to continue that same example. Instead of having the opportunity to choose subs from the remainder of their squad during a game, a manager should have to make decisions concerning which players they'll likely need to use before the game. Otherwise it makes football super-pants number one.


Right Rugby boy... don't Rugby Union sides have a Gazillion replacements to choose from??? :-k Does this make Rugby super-pants number one??
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Re: The Official Football Thread

Postby Metal Iain on Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:14 am

Shugmaster wrote:
Metal Iain wrote:No it doesn't, you silly billy!

It means that it gives managers the opportunity to deal with problems as and when they arise. That isn't tactical; that's merely convenient. Not that you can account for injuries like that of Ribery, but part of being a manager is choosing your subs in advance and in accordance with the problems that may arise playing against Italy, to continue that same example. Instead of having the opportunity to choose subs from the remainder of their squad during a game, a manager should have to make decisions concerning which players they'll likely need to use before the game. Otherwise it makes football super-pants number one.


Right Rugby boy... don't Rugby Union sides have a Gazillion replacements to choose from??? :-k Does this make Rugby super-pants number one??


They have seven subs but you don't really have much leeway choosing them because rugby has specialist positions in a way that football doesn't. For example, you're bound to need a hooker, a scrum-half and a stand-off on the bench because their positions involve quite a bit that others don't. Then you're likely to have a prop, a second row, a back row and one other back to make up the numbers but, even then, you need to have people that know what they're doing so the line out and scrum doesn't go to the dogs. Then there're also issues of knowing that you have someone that can kick well if your first-choice kicker gets injured. This sort of throws a spanner into the works of the football-rugby comparison because, whereas you could sub on a defender for a striker if you had no alternative in football, subbing on a prop for a fullback would be suicide in rugby because the dimensions of the players in rugby vary a lot, i.e. unlike football players they're not all 5' 8" and 11 stone.

It used to be that they would have two replacements, i.e. you could only bring one player on for another if the player on t'field was incapable of going on, but the advent of professionalism - c. 1996 - changed things round a bit. You also get blood replacements: a player is subbed off for a short period of time to get stitches or whatever because someone deemed it dangerous to have players bleeding all over the pitch. Let's not forget that rugby also involves about 10, 000 percent the physical exertion that football does so it sort of makes sense to have more subs.
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Re: The Official Football Thread

Postby Shugmaster on Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:46 am

I have been really impressed with the level of refereeing at Euro 2008. The referees appear to have been sent on a City & Guild's training course instructing on what a blatant dive looks like.
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Re: The Official Football Thread

Postby James on Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:23 pm

I have to say, watching the France-Italy game stretched my toleration of wussy footballers to the limit.

Italy are a bunch of greasy dive-artists, and the amount of fuss that goes into each injury is absurd. I lost much of the respect I still had for this point when I saw them drive that medical buggy onto the pitch, strap the 'casualty' onto a stretcher with two straps, then drive him about 3 metres to the touch line!!!

Couldn't help thinking people would just get on with it in rugby... especially when the players are making a fuss over a part of their body which received no contact from a tackler at all.
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Re: The Official Football Thread

Postby Metal Iain on Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:30 pm

If we're talking about the same thing, the buggy came on for Ribery [French] who's done his calf muscle or something. I tore my calf muscle playing rugby once and it's one of the most excruciating things I have felt. It's way more painful than a broken arm anyway. What's worse is that, after the initial pain has subsided, it feels like you have cramp that won't stretch off.

Rory Lamont [Scotland winger] needed to be buggied off against England this year but he had been knocked out cold and suffered a fractured eye socket...
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Re: The Official Football Thread

Postby Shugmaster on Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:49 pm

it looked like knee or ankle ligament damage that Ribery sustained last night. Just from the way he challenged for the ball, his leg got stuck underneath him in that horrible your gonna have a fucked leg kind of way. Thought it was quite funny how he was getting agitated because the medics didn't have oxygen to give him. Whatever happened to giving folk a bit of wood to bite down on to fight the pain??!!!
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Re: The Official Football Thread

Postby Lev on Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:53 pm

Metal Iain wrote:No it doesn't, you silly billy!

It means that it gives managers the opportunity to deal with problems as and when they arise. That isn't tactical; that's merely convenient. Not that you can account for injuries like that of Ribery, but part of being a manager is choosing your subs in advance and in accordance with the problems that may arise playing against Italy, to continue that same example. Instead of having the opportunity to choose subs from the remainder of their squad during a game, a manager should have to make decisions concerning which players they'll likely need to use before the game. Otherwise it makes football super-pants number one.



That's fucking stupid. Shut up, you nonse.
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Re: The Official Football Thread

Postby Metal Iain on Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:55 pm

You'd think a chap who survived a car crash leaving him look like Blofeld would know how to hack it too.

If I were ever injured like that I'd wait till the cameras were close enough to hear me shout, 'I can hack it, boss!'
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Re: The Official Football Thread

Postby Metal Iain on Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:57 pm

Lev - Pulverizer wrote:
Metal Iain wrote:No it doesn't, you silly billy!

It means that it gives managers the opportunity to deal with problems as and when they arise. That isn't tactical; that's merely convenient. Not that you can account for injuries like that of Ribery, but part of being a manager is choosing your subs in advance and in accordance with the problems that may arise playing against Italy, to continue that same example. Instead of having the opportunity to choose subs from the remainder of their squad during a game, a manager should have to make decisions concerning which players they'll likely need to use before the game. Otherwise it makes football super-pants number one.



That's fucking stupid. Shut up, you nonse.


You're fucking stupid!

You just don't understand the subtle nuances of tactics.
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Re: The Official Football Thread

Postby Lev on Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:59 pm

Yeah, commonsense just takes over.
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Re: The Official Football Thread

Postby Metal Iain on Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:06 pm

Nah.
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Re: The Official Football Thread

Postby Lev on Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:23 pm

Aye.
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Re: The Official Football Thread

Postby Metal Iain on Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:27 pm

Nah.
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Re: The Official Football Thread

Postby Lev on Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:33 pm

Aye.
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Re: The Official Football Thread

Postby Metal Iain on Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:47 pm

Nah.
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