Povey wrote:The promoter then of course has to maximise his/her ticket prices to match what is required by the agency so they dont lose out thus hurting us in the long run.

false economy though as in the end the made fuck all out of me as i wouldnt pay it!!!!

Immortalicide wrote:

Povey wrote:The promoter then of course has to maximise his/her ticket prices to match what is required by the agency so they dont lose out thus hurting us in the long run.

false economy though as in the end the made fuck all out of me as i wouldnt pay it!!!!

Well this is why you have to be slective on what you put on.

The most successful gig (we) Reanimator had was Monstrosity,Deeds of Flesh,Vile and Impaled at the (old) Eddies in 05' 140 people turned up and about the same for the Alldayer we did (but that was the right time and place to do it).

My "Punk Ethic" wont allow me to put on a gig for more then £8 as I believe there is no point in booking a band the charges x to play infront of 40-80 (If your lucky) cause you never going to make the money back and you will in all honesty look like a cunt. Bands and the people expect a gig not a empty hall.

The problem these days is there is a attitude that putting on gigs a cool thing to do and anyone can do it but the difference is the people who put em on the big coperate venues or people like Jamie/Donny etc

Overall most people suffer from aparthy and the myspace generation has killed attendances at gigs (ie check out a band online, if they sound crap you wont go) even I am guilty of that.

Generally people will only come out for charity gigs, if their friends band is playing or if the package deal is a decent ie that Municipal Waste one coming up w/Ramming Speed and Saviours.

Povey wrote:Overall most people suffer from aparthy and the myspace generation has killed attendances at gigs (ie check out a band online, if they sound crap you wont go) even I am guilty of that.

I think you're right hit the nail right on the head right there. People won't take risks anymore, they'd rather check them out online first. We all do it, because it's so easy to do. If you're not sure if an album will be good, you can download it, and even if you are against downloading you can now check it out on Spotify. Same goes for gigs, as you just said, people will check them out online and decide based on that (and again, I myself will quite often do that too). The internet has basically ruined all life, but at the same time it's quite good really. It's well mad.

jonny_boy34 wrote:

Povey wrote:Overall most people suffer from aparthy and the myspace generation has killed attendances at gigs (ie check out a band online, if they sound crap you wont go) even I am guilty of that.

I think you're right hit the nail right on the head right there. People won't take risks anymore, they'd rather check them out online first. We all do it, because it's so easy to do. If you're not sure if an album will be good, you can download it, and even if you are against downloading you can now check it out on Spotify. Same goes for gigs, as you just said, people will check them out online and decide based on that (and again, I myself will quite often do that too). The internet has basically ruined all life, but at the same time it's quite good really. It's well mad.

Its not a totally bad thing though really, it just means if you want people to come to your gigs (who aren't just your mates) and recognise you as a proper band, you have to actually be able to write good music. which i think is the most important bit, isn't it. And infact it makes it easier in some ways, myspace isn't all bad. Its alot easier to discover new underground talent, bands that havent even played gigs yet! there are a few bands that i have discovered and as a result have been to as many of their shows as possible in london... the internet and they way the music industry is going is inevitable, you can either whine and moan that it "isn't like it used to be", or just embrace the revolution and enjoy and exploit the fantastic new opportunities we now have as bands and musicians, and promoters and label managers alike.

as for gig prices, its a really really difficult thing to get right, and especially if you have bands from overseas playing... its bloody worrying sometimes to think about the amount of money you could lose outweighed with wanting a large turn-out. £18.50 for ND and Immolation sounds a bit much but its probably not going to have been any less than £15 for that show in london, so really its not that bad. Its so hard to make gigs affordable for the crowd and for the promoters to put on, obviously ideally all shows would/should be free - but then who pays the bands to play, who pays for a decent sound system and sound man to run it, who pays for the bands travel, the advertisement and printing of flyers for a show... the list is fairly endless.

Resilience Records wrote: ideally all shows would/should be free - but then who pays the bands to play, who pays for a decent sound system and sound man to run it, who pays for the bands travel, the advertisement and printing of flyers for a show... the list is fairly endless.

The bell has their own, very good sound system and soundman (although no doubt ND had their own man to do it), so cant see the justification there.

As for the internet, i honestly never illegally download anything, and never really use myspace, so in recent years, the most bands ive descovered are live!! So many bands i just caught live before id heard anything else by them including virtually all the new thrash bands. I would readily pay to see these bands when it was a cheap pub gig (especially the very much missed awesome gigs reanimator used to do; pove i love you!!), then if the band was good, i would buy the demo, buy the cd and buy the shirt, in one case, even release the album!!!

Maybe its because im older, i dont know, but in the mid to late 80s i used to buy loads of vinyl just because of the reviews in mags like metal forces, fanzines and even kerrrang! Again, i used to do gigs nearly every week in the late 80s and discovered many bands who were supporting bigger bands. The trouble is now that never enough people turn up to a gig. Back in the late 80s i would go and see bands like tankard or cancer or demolition hammer and eddies or rock city would be near full. These days even free gigs have poor turn outs, at least up here, dont know about london, but that is a different point as i often travelled to london for gigs but its just too much hassle now with congestion charges, parking prices, etc etc so i never do it now!

Immortalicide wrote:

Resilience Records wrote: ideally all shows would/should be free - but then who pays the bands to play, who pays for a decent sound system and sound man to run it, who pays for the bands travel, the advertisement and printing of flyers for a show... the list is fairly endless.

The bell has their own, very good sound system and soundman (although no doubt ND had their own man to do it), so cant see the justification there.

The soundman would at least still have to be paid though, even if they are in-house! The thing is, the price of that gig isn't too surprising to me, Napalm Death are a long established band, just because they're playing in the back of a pub (which is still a bloody good venue with a large capacity mind you, not just your average pub), they're not going to charge less than, say, if they were playing The Underworld down in London. So their fee as well as other costs would bring the ticket prices up to around that mark. Any more than £20 would be a bit mad, but I don't think £18.50 for a proper big boys band is that bad.

Jamie's right though about the internet thing, maybe if there were more good bands around these days more people would come to gigs. I think the problem with the MySpace generation is the effect it's had on bands rather than the audience; now it's so easy to cobble some tracks together and throw them up on the net, there's so much shit out there... and I have to go to work now, so I'll finish this later. Cheers.

Jon's second point is the main one, if music is a form of true expression, don't make it a reverberated fart.

Resilience Records wrote:
obviously ideally all shows would/should be free - but then who pays the bands to play, who pays for a decent sound system and sound man to run it, who pays for the bands travel, the advertisement and printing of flyers for a show... the list is fairly endless.

In a ideal world this is my theory :-

The venue "should" pay the band. If the gig is promoted correctly the people will turn up.

The more people, the more money behind the bar, the bands get paid,fans get to see bands everyone is happy.

Venues like the Underworld rake it in week in week out. I have saw the head barmaid manager type at the end of the night just pull the money out of the till and pay the TM.

What irks me most is when a venue charges you say £200-300 for the privledge of bringing them custom of what normally would be a empty room. I understand there are overheads like staff,security and hire of equipment but that money could be used on better things like promotion and actually paying a band what you agreed.

It's all about bloomin' money, it's mental. It's a catch 22 madness though. Venues are presumably closing down because they aren't making enough money. Now I don't know any of this, I'm just guessing. But I suppose they would think the solution (before they close down) is to put drinks and entry prices up, to cover the expenses. They don't think that if they put all the prices down, more people would come, because they're too scared to take the risk, even though they must as well because they're only eventually going to shut down anyway. Bar Monsta is the PERFECT example of this, the owner, as many people on here know, is a complete and absolute cunt, knew nothing about music, and didn't listen to the guy who actually dealt with the music side of things, and he just made everything more and more rubbish until everyone stopped going there altogether. It's why the gigs Jamie was putting on there became more and more empty, until he eventually moved to the Purple Turtle, which was a bit nicer, and then finally to the Unicorn, which is nearly always busy and lovely because it's free and wonderful.

Venues like The Underworld can get away with being dicks though because it's well established and has fairly big bands playing. But how can a venue get the that point if it's being run by wankers in the first place?

But after all that, if there is no entry price and you are relying on bar takings to pay the band and everyone else, that's more of a guess really, you have no guarantee you will make enough money - I guess saying 'promote the gig properly' isn't enough for the people who run the place, they need to know they won't lose any money for sure. So it's just bloody mental and christ.

And there are too many shit bands out there too, that was my other point before I had to leave to go to work. That annoys me a lot. Bloody wankers.

The moral of the story is, if nothing cost anything, everything would be great, but it would also become filled with bloody shit. So what can you do.

Move to Marklar

whats total bollocks is the legitimate touting that goes on through seatwave, viagogo, getmein, all those cunts have made it harder for real fans to get hold of tickets

this morning i waited 45 mins for HMV ticket site to crash and then miss out on paul mccartney tix, before the fucking things are in the post they are on these "fan to fan" exchange sites, er has the world gone totally fucking mad, the tickets were double the fucking price, i hate cunts and i really hate wankers so there isnt much left in this town to actually like

Bongwater wrote:whats total bollocks is the legitimate touting that goes on through seatwave, viagogo, getmein, all those cunts have made it harder for real fans to get hold of tickets

this morning i waited 45 mins for HMV ticket site to crash and then miss out on paul mccartney tix, before the fucking things are in the post they are on these "fan to fan" exchange sites, er has the world gone totally fucking mad, the tickets were double the fucking price, i hate cunts and i really hate wankers so there isnt much left in this town to actually like

I notice that hammerfest doesnt give ANY tickets out, but a reference number, and at the point of sale you have to register details for every person for every ticket you purchase, then when arriving, each person is going to have to bring 3 forms of ID including photo id. I guess that hard rock hell was the same and did anyone notice there were litterally only 2 ebay listings for them the week before and they both said that all details needed to be sent to the seller who could then register them. Makes selling on at a profit a ot of hassle.
That said, i probably wouldnt have gone to either download or sonisphere if i hadnt got cheap ebay tickets this year, but they were under issue price so not the same issue really!


here you go bong! 1 day left
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PAUL-MCCARTNEY-X- ... 2eb1de954b

Bongwater wrote:i hate cunts and i really hate wankers so there isnt much left in this town to actually like

Definitely the best sentence of all time.

jonny_boy34 wrote:

Bongwater wrote:i hate cunts and i really hate wankers so there isnt much left in this town to actually like

Definitely the best sentence of all time.

thanks! not why i do it.....