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Postby Immortalicide on Wed Feb 07, 2007 4:56 pm

boovidge wrote:I don't understand the anti-internet attitude that some of the "old school" thrashers seem to have. People are always going to steal music, you can't deny that in the 80s at least some people (probably a good number) copied tapes from cds,records or other tapes. Perhaps the internet has allowed more people to do it more easily.

I've read interviews where metal bands were calling the internet the "evilnet" (chuck chuldiner was one of them) Well it seems to me that the evilnet has made it possible for us thrash fans to form a community and also to gain access to information and music which would be unbelievably hard to find otherwise.

And look how the internet has been used to help promote bands. Everyone rips on myspace but suddenly their opinions change when they want to promote their music.


If you read my post it isnt anti internet at all. I just find it pretty wank that it is now considered almost someones right to have access to illegal uploads and fuck the bands that sweated and worked to get that music done. If you want something someone has worked to produce, why shouldnt you pay them for it???? If you were say, a graphic designer and you spent hours designing something for someone and then they just took a copy from you without permission and never paid you, youd think that was out of order, well whats the difference????
Oh yeah, and even without the internet we managed a community back in the 80s, but it was more respectful of the musicians who provide us with the stuff we love to hear. Maybe after some of the new bands have spent years trudging round club after club and earned enough to record a CD then sell 1000 or so and realise they have made fuck all from it people will realize!!! Theft is theft, made all the worse when you post here saying how much of a fan you are before you steal it!!!!!!!
(just getting off my soapbox now, okay lol)
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Postby boovidge on Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:07 pm

My post wasn't really directed at you. You'd be a right hypocrite hating the internet and yet posting regularly on here! :P

I completely understand that it's right and important to buy music instead of downloading it. On the flip side however, I've just checked out the Toxik re-issues and theyre 12 quid each. That's over two hours of my life for each cd. It's bloody tempting just to not bother and keep on listening to the mp3s i got off death-thrash.

Also artists get very little money from cd sales, it's all about gigging.If people turn up to the shows because they heard a copied album then the band benefits.

argh now I have an agonising choice between buying world circus or think this :doh:
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Postby Immortalicide on Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:13 pm

boovidge wrote:My post wasn't really directed at you. You'd be a right hypocrite hating the internet and yet posting regularly on here! :P

I completely understand that it's right and important to buy music instead of downloading it. On the flip side however, I've just checked out the Toxik re-issues and theyre 12 quid each. That's over two hours of my life for each cd. It's bloody tempting just to not bother and keep on listening to the mp3s i got off death-thrash.

Also artists get very little money from cd sales, it's all about gigging.If people turn up to the shows because they heard a copied album then the band benefits.

argh now I have an agonising choice between buying world circus or think this :doh:


I do agree that music is too expensive, but be careful where you buy from. A lot of stuff can be gotten from underground distros who probably own their own labels and trade their stuff with other label / distros to keep the cost down. Multi-national retailers are not the ones who should be getting our money, try disros like IRON PEGASUS , SUPERNAL, HELLS HEADBANGERS etc. The profits they make (or some of it at least) go towards producing more and more metal, not shareholder bonuses!!!!!

another quick point, you say the bands make the money from gigging, but from the turn outs ive seen at many underground shows over the last few years, they aint making much from gigging either!!!!
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Postby BEER CAN on Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:16 pm

boovidge wrote:it's all about gigging.If people turn up to the shows because they heard a copied album then the band benefits.



age old defence for people who download music, personally cant say i agree with it, you hardly get paid anything for gigs either! let alone cds! hehe


no, i think a balance has to be made between selling your album out of the boot of your car and playing gigs...
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Postby terrorizer on Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:54 pm

I don't make money from my hobby, so why should bands make money from playing music? Jeez get a job to pay for your drugs, booze and birds! :shock:
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Postby BEER CAN on Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:57 pm

terrorizer wrote:I don't make money from my hobby, so why should bands make money from playing music?

:lol:
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Postby Immortalicide on Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:45 pm

BEER CAN wrote:
terrorizer wrote:I don't make money from my hobby, so why should bands make money from playing music?

:lol:


If a band make music solely as a hobby then thats fine, but unless the day job is good enough to allow sufficient investment (time and money) into doing that hobby then the level of artistic output would be hampered. Now if the hobby could generate an income, and fund itself (better equipment, better recording, time spent touring - tours arent cheap!!), then it stands to reason that the end product should be better. How many bands which had the potential to be something and benefit us all with descent music never did so due to time and money constraints??? We will never know, but something to think about..........
You could level the same argument at anything really, sports stars, actors / actresses / celebrities....... If we want them to continue entertaining us to a greater degree, then reward them for it or just take the small bit they manage to produce when time and funds allow. We create the demand, we have to allow them the means to supply!!!
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Postby Bestial Bill on Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:20 am

Agree with virtually all the points Immortalicide made. The problem with the internet is that it makes music very easily available, and hence you get (I imagine) a different type of person into underground stuff than in the 80s, where it was far harder to find releases, other fans, etc. People just download a 'cool' record collection with no idea of history and the kind of people who aren't prepared to put effort or capital into music aren't worth being involved in my opinion.
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Postby southwestthrasher on Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:36 am

Bestial Bill wrote:Agree with virtually all the points Immortalicide made. The problem with the internet is that it makes music very easily available, and hence you get (I imagine) a different type of person into underground stuff than in the 80s, where it was far harder to find releases, other fans, etc. People just download a 'cool' record collection with no idea of history and the kind of people who aren't prepared to put effort or capital into music aren't worth being involved in my opinion.


a cool record collection is one you have actually spent time going out and buying to support the bands indeed but i also dont disagree with having illegally downloaded albums either, especially if those albums are out of print now etc. like i have a lot of music on my comp that has been downloaded i still venture out from time to time to buy albums of bands that have really inspired me and bands that are still going but you dont wanna go out and buy say the newest nuclear assault album if you havnt heard it first cos in my opion it was a total balls up on any of their early stuff, such a shame they had to call it quits but when u arent making decent enough music anymore i guess its time to pack your bags and illegally downloaded music may have led to the departure of this legendary band.

illegally downloading is a good source to tell whether an album is good or not so it can work both ways in the favour of the band therefore i see nothing wrong with it.
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Postby Thrashface on Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:24 pm

Immortalicide wrote:
BEER CAN wrote:
terrorizer wrote:I don't make money from my hobby, so why should bands make money from playing music?

:lol:


If a band make music solely as a hobby then thats fine, but unless the day job is good enough to allow sufficient investment (time and money) into doing that hobby then the level of artistic output would be hampered. Now if the hobby could generate an income, and fund itself (better equipment, better recording, time spent touring - tours arent cheap!!), then it stands to reason that the end product should be better. How many bands which had the potential to be something and benefit us all with descent music never did so due to time and money constraints??? We will never know, but something to think about..........
You could level the same argument at anything really, sports stars, actors / actresses / celebrities....... If we want them to continue entertaining us to a greater degree, then reward them for it or just take the small bit they manage to produce when time and funds allow. We create the demand, we have to allow them the means to supply!!!


This is where you're wrong mate. Some of the best bands have been ones who didn't make money, just look at scum by napalm death, they weren't making money from the band when they recorded it, but it is one of the most classic albums ever!
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Postby Atom on Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:27 pm

Nuclear Assault still had jobs and so do Exodus. And Abbath is a scaffolder.
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Postby Thrashface on Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:32 pm

To be honest, a VERY small number of bands actually make decent money from their music!
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Postby Resilience Records on Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:48 pm

Thrashface wrote:To be honest, a VERY small number of bands actually make decent money from their music!


very true!

its so hard for bands to make a living out of just playing music.
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Postby MartinC on Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:04 pm

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Thrashface wrote:To be honest, a VERY small number of bands actually make decent money from their music!


very true!

its so hard for bands to make a living out of just playing music.


Which is why Heretic is selling out.
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