Metal Iain wrote:

Shugmaster wrote:The Exodus trade forum sucks mainly due to the people who expect their asses to be kissed if they put anything up on it. I think Metal Iain will know the guys i am talking about. Whenever i put anything up on there i made sure people knew i wasn't expecting anything in return and that includes ass kissing. Fucking divots!!!

What annoyed me was the people who came in looking for copies of Impact and Force of Habit and being told to fuck off and try eBay. They're out of print and about everyone on there has them so why not get a sticky with a link to the albums. I don't think Gary would mind seeing as Capitol is screwing him out of the albums. The Heathen guys had the savy to do it themselves!

As far as I'm concerned, if the bands aren't making money from the albums they should be downloaded.

EDIT: I'm back into the Trade Forum now, nothing much in there atm.

There's a good few vines floating around at least. I've got an Ultimate Revenge and one or two other gigs (all vids) going out when I come back from holiday. Be sure to sign up if you don't have 'em

I do trade through the mail but due to the high cost of postage in Germany I prefer trading through the net. I have an FTP program set up for people to upload their part of the trade and download my part. It saves money for everyone involved AND at the same time introduces new Metal.

About the EXODUS forum: I don't blame people for wanting some sort of reaction to what they upload. It can be very frustrating when you put something up, it gets 50 views and not a word. Feedback on something is often interesting and sometimes helpful for others deciding whether to download or not. Whenever I post something there, unless I have it up on Dimeadozen, it is hosted on my server so I can view the traffic created by downloads, which is often A LOT. There are far too many people who would rather download albums that are EASILY available than go out and support the bands who make them. That old saying: SUPPORT THE UNDERGROUND means actually going out and buying the albums, not just leeching endlessly off the internet. Sadly, too many people would rather do that.

Fuck, most of the replies to my original post were totally lost on me, I know fuck all about computers/downloading and all that crap. Thanks to Bestial Bill for the reply though, and if anyone does understand what I'm going on about and is interested in tape trading, drop me a line. Cheers thrashers. Mr Old School (and yes I still own a tape deck and buy vinyl - fuck digital sound!!!)

Haha... I hate to break it to you but you do know that the majority of bands who are releasing vinyls nowadays record digitally then claim to be "oldschool" and "like the old times". This whole anti webzine / mp3 / digital attitude is total bollocks.

Oh yeah, and I'd like to add, since you are so oldschool why not use pen and paper to communicate with other Metallers. That's how we did it in the old days. 8)

Bottom line is it doesn't really matter what you use, just getting the good music played and listened to is what it's all about. From my perspective, the reason I want people to listen to our music is so they'll come to gigs and the place'll be rocking! There's nothing better than playing a gig to a huge crowd, and nothing suckier than all your effort (writing/rehearsing/promoting) fallling on deaf ears.

So with that in mind, check out my thread on the gigs page 'London Thrash Band -OUTLAW'

cheers droogies

Well, with the way current trends are going, a generation or two down the line of MP3 players will allow users to transmit their songs wirelessly from one mp3 player to the next if they're standing close enough to each other.

So instead of tape trading, everyone would whip out their mp3 player and start zapping all their tracks around wirlessly. Not a particularly hardcore image true, but realistically it'd make the process so bloody easy I'm rather looking forward to it all! You might even have situations where a band brings their latest demo on an mp3 player, places it on stage, and during their set if an audience member likes it they can download the band's demo straight to their mp3 player.

that sounds seriously cool, I never thought about that.

Don't know, I do use the occasional File sharing...but isn't trading and buying tapes what originally made the collecting and discovering of music fun in the first place? I mean, it's effort you put into it and maybe be rewarded...if you don't like it, just trade it with someone...it's a brilliant trade....just that downloading is a helluva lot easier etc.

Hey Mr Thrash Attack, don't start having a go at me. You're not telling me anything I don't know. If you want me to write a letter, send me a message with your address, and I'll fuckin write you one, that's how I'd rather do it and that's what I used to do. You're not talking to some fucking kid who just jumped on a bandwagon you know.

This is definately the most ridiculous argument yet. Good goin'!

Ripper wrote:Hey Mr Thrash Attack

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don't start having a go at me. You're not telling me anything I don't know. If you want me to write a letter, send me a message with your address, and I'll fuckin write you one, that's how I'd rather do it and that's what I used to do. You're not talking to some fucking kid who just jumped on a bandwagon you know.

Talk about making something out of nothing!

I caught the tale end of the tapr trading era at the end of the 80's and into the 90's,I used to see the ads on the back of Metal Forces posters on the 'Penbangers' list.
I didn't dabble in it though so I don't realy know much about it,probably for two reasons, one I was only 13,two much of the best output of thrash was reaching critical acclaim in the professional recording stakes.Mind you it would have been interesting to find out just how old other subsequent underground genres realy are.

A point that seems to be missed here is that tape trading in the 80s was about getting a band noticed and promoted, not just about who could get what for free. We used to trade demos and write to the bands / go to the gigs etc and this was how a bands popularity was measured. If they got signed, traders supported the scene by PAYING for the bands musical product, not just ripping the bands they loved off by getting the album for fuck all as a lot of downloaders do today, and even though we couldnt download then, we could have traded taped copies of albums, but as im sure Ian will confirm, we didnt do that, we bought the album then collected live and rehearsal tapes, different versions. Bands just arent appreciated today and music comes just a little too easy, and a little too cheap. If you had to work, physically work, 5 or 6 hours for the money to buy a single album ( as i did inthe 80s - saturday job etc) you appriciated it that bit more, we felt part of a scene, almost a brotherhood. Indifferent and illegal downloading is just a bit toss really to be honest!!!!

I don't understand the anti-internet attitude that some of the "old school" thrashers seem to have. People are always going to steal music, you can't deny that in the 80s at least some people (probably a good number) copied tapes from cds,records or other tapes. Perhaps the internet has allowed more people to do it more easily.

I've read interviews where metal bands were calling the internet the "evilnet" (chuck chuldiner was one of them) Well it seems to me that the evilnet has made it possible for us thrash fans to form a community and also to gain access to information and music which would be unbelievably hard to find otherwise.

And look how the internet has been used to help promote bands. Everyone rips on myspace but suddenly their opinions change when they want to promote their music.